um i think not.<br><br>talking out my ass "no". i used a mac with an open mind for 2 years, when i went to the art institute of houston. thank you very much. we used g3's for basic stuff and the g4's for photoshop and premier ect. so i have used, i did not like and still prefer a windows based machine anyday. the only reason, i have seen for a program to crash is not enough memory installed or page file is too low, all human error and as far as how many programs i can run.. what are u basing that off of. i have had as many as 10 programs running at the same time without a twitch. so /v\/v\, know who you are arguing with before you spit out any dissis.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :evil --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>i think you forgot to read this "no shiat talkin, just my opinion"<br>so fer u mac "luverz" get off the trip..... i prefer one u prefer another. leave it as it stands.......<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> or leave another obtuse post to feed the fire....lol<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>YoUrPiMp<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>PIMPOLOGY</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub44.ezboard.com/bschwantzsredeemerarenaserver.showUserPublicProfile?gid=yourpimp@schwantzsredeemerarenaserver>yourpimp</A>  <IMG SRC="http://www.gif-universum.de/Animierte_Gifs/Monster/49.gif" BORDER=0> at: 1/28/03 10:21:18 am<br></i>

ladies ladies ladies, lol<br><br>can't we all just get along?<br><br>as long as we can all play UT together, who cares how many Adobe apps you can have running at once? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I don't think the car analogy works, to tell you the truth, and not just because the Mac guys always refer to Porsches and BMWs. <br><br>The better analogy is a tool set. PCs are cheaper, and have a few more hitches, but the drill bit set is easy to acquire (often for free), and virtually universal. Macs are finer, no doubt about it, but their bits and drivers have a funky little interface, so you can't fit it into every drill.<br><br>I would buy a Mac if I had the money, but I'm too much of a dealz kinda guy.<br><br>M <p></p><i></i>

Actually Pimp I get my info from my brother and my best friend who both work on PC's and know there Shiat. One works and loves PC's like you and the other would rather use a Mac even though he spends his whole day working on peoples PC problems. Regardless how much you argue it PC's crash on a regular basis. Thats why my friend and brother have jobs. Because people need to use that tech support for there PC's. You say human error. To some extent I agree wiht that. My question to you is why does the PC world insist on making computers and Operating systems that are so easy to screw up?<br><br> Your right Mah. Let's Rock!!!! <p>Naughtius Maximus</p><i></i>

A Mac can only do the work faster if it can do the work at all. Waiting for drivers is always an extra hassle for Mac owners, even when the device in question supports the Apple platform. I've been investigating digital photography lately, and I've seen a number of instances where a camera or photo quality printer doesn't have as many features on a Mac as it does on a PC simply because the drivers just don't exist yet. Sometimes they never get written, because the product gets replaced by a different model. For what I want to do, with the hardware I've chosen, a PC is a better bet. -At least for now.<br><br>I've also read some user reviews on the Power Macs some place. Apparently they are <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>very noisy</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, to the point of being positively painful. And there have been some major hardware failures/hassles as well. I wasn't going to stir the flames in here by reporting my relief that I couldn't afford a Power Mac after reading that stuff a while back. But if I'd had the money, I might have bought one. Now I'm glad I didn't. And that's the simple truth. No flaming, teasing, razzing, or bragging intended. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :| --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I wonder just how secure the Mac OSX really is. If it were equally as popular as Windows, I wonder if the hackers wouldn't have found as many holes in it as they have Windows? Perhaps it's own unpopularity is what is making it "better"? <br>I've asked this before, and don't recall an answer: If I build a brand new PC with no O/S, can I put OSX on it, for instance? <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

Ahh, Yes, I do love to tinker with my machine to see what it can do. This is the difference between you and I. There appears to be a different mind set among the folks here. I consider it a hobby to install a couple of hard drives, a new video card, more memory, and different operating systems on a computer. To me, it is a way to wind down and relax. For you, it appears that you prefer a solid machine that works exactly the same way every day, is rock solid, and never has to be upgraded. Then for you, the Mac is a perfect machine. I have no problem with that. To say that one is superior to the other is purely a matter of personal opinion. <br>As I have posted before, my first computer was an Apple Mac Performa, and I loved it. Not one time did it crash, and, even after loosing two modems to lightning, there was never a hardware failure. This thing was/is a brick. I loved it. But my interest in learning how the PC works led me down the path to the Gates machine. There are simply more options on this path. Are Mac's better? Are PC's better? They both have their ups and downs. For me. The PC is king.<br> I don't even mind when I get the "blue screen of death". Another mystery to try to solve, which increases my knowledge. The blue screens have been eliminated with Windows XP. <br><br>Feels like old times here <p>The Jargonaut<br></p><i></i>

UPDATE....<br>Apparently, Microsoft doesn't heed their own security warnings:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1001-982305.html">Microsoft Fails Slammer Security Test</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>May I also add that I disagree with you all! I do run Windows, It is good for some things; plus the Computer Technology department at School is highly dependent on it. As for the workhorses, I run Linux, which as you may know Mac OS X has a distant relation to<br>(and if you didn't: OS X is based on BSD, a flavor of Unix). MMRA runs on Mandrake Linux 9.0, and goes for a month or so before it is rebooted (I reboot once a month regardless if I need it or not!), with no problems whatsoever (at least none reported). On the other hand, certain windows servers I play on (do not take offense, you know who you are) seem to go down quite often in comparison. I am not trying to say that windows is inferior, it is quite good from the user friendly standpoint; on the other hand, for areas where high load and minimal hardware are the problems at hand, Linux is what I use. As far as the Mac goes, it has always been the mainstay of graphical designers and musicians; for those kinds of things, it is the best platform (although windows has been catching up over the years). I am a tweaker like Jarg, so a Mac would not be best for me; but if it works for MetalMan, NautMax, and others, It can't be that bad! <p>....................../´¯/)<br>....................,/¯../<br>.................../..../<br>............./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸<br>........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\<br>........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...')<br>.........\.................'...../<br>..........''...\.......... _.·´<br>............\..............(<br>..............\.............\...<br>DeaD_SuN</p><i></i>

***SYSTEM OF A DOWN would be the most appropriate soundtrack to this text....play it really loud!!!***********<br><br><br>I do want to step back a little and say thanks to all the PC folk who admit that in the end this is a capitalist argument, we are all entitled to our opinions. Let me also share much of the frustration I find in the capitalist system. "The Green Imperative, Ecology and Ethics in ... Architecture by Victor Papanek" is a book that pretty much describes much of my frustration of the american culture in design and ecology. My frustrations lie deeper still with the waste and bad decisions we make as human beings. To this you may gain some empathy for why I not only use Macs but have very little tolerance for the excesive squabbling and lost productivity I see in the PC world if not all of america [did anyone else want to vomit last night during the state of the union? (torp)...if you didn't you are part of my frustration]. You may say "MM you sure are an angry person"...well...a lot of the time you would be right. As a professional artist I see the inequities of man rather clearly, being that as an artist everything I do is centered around peace and the proliferation of intelligent open minded thought. I try to live my life by the golden rule as best I can and often see NO ONE doing the same (including myself much of the time, maybe i am frustrated with the weakness and inadequicies of human nature as well). I think my anger stems from having no tolerance for ignorance. And when ignorance rears its ugly head I get FUC*ING PISSED! And at the same time I see the futility in my anger as humans are destined to be plagued by their hypocritical nature , which I am very much a part of as well (being a gun toting-pot smoking-alcolholic. For a long time my UT name was MISANTHROPE and I just may go back to it soon). The book that I mentioned describes the real flaw in capitalism that the PC world exploits to no end...'that you have the right to compete, even when it means stomping out the little guy, at all costs'. Growing up in Seattle was a real eye opener in this respect. Starbucks defined this type of exploitative capitalist mentality by dropping its stores everywhere, even RIGHT next door to mom and pop coffee houses! I guess the real problem with PCs that I have is the same problem I have with the decisions we make as a whole in the production of many things. Cars for example...there are HOW many different types of cars, that in reality all work about the same, but we seem to feel we need to make more and more ( Seattle pops into my mind again here) with very little advance in efficiency. Aesthetics are really what drives the manufacture of all these different models. In //\etal//\an's perfect little society I would hope that making tons of cars to meet the aesthetic needs of a nation that buys them for status symbols and because they 'CAN' would seem to be a logically BAD decision that we could see and hopefully stop. What I would hope would result from that would be the creation of a car that was not only efficient but long lasting. That wont happen, and you know why...because theres no money in it. The same goes with PCs. Each step towards that superfast processor is belied by the fact that eventually we WILL get to it, but in the mean time we will keep making them gradually faster to make some extra cash. What I think would be the necessary resolution to that type of problem would be to shift industry to seek out the best possible resolution to what we have RIGHT NOW! Not until we iron out the problems with what is in front of us should we 'advance' to the next set of problems when we cant even solve the problems with the things we have already created. This is where I see artists being different from capitalists in a massive way. The subtle refinement of ones craft is a lifelong endeavor, not motivated by money but the search for truth, and often times never attained within a lifetime. That seems rather tragic, but its the act, the simple need to provide the most succinct and clear information to the world that makes the act of the artist so much more valid than the capitalist machine we all use (even bad artists) to justify our freedom. [I can feel the republican hate boiling] Its that statment 'BECAUSE I CAN" that defines our culture so strong, and as well blinds us to the efficient progression of our mental and spiritual lives. We know what the RIGHT thing to do is in any instance of our lives but we use the argument that humans are flawed and will always make bad decisions so i might as well do what I do because it really doesnt matter. <br><br>Sh*t ....you must all hate me now....oh well...I say what I say BECAUSE I CAN! <br><br>Really living my life has been a result of pragmatism and simplicity. The complexity of life is what makes us a rich race, and at the same time confuses us with the multitude of decisions we must make. I see my pragmatism in my computer choice. (Which was given to me as a gift with most of the things I own, I buy very few things in this world and when I do i feel guilty of excessive greed if it isn't to benefit the health of my family [And i am not talking about STUFF. I make toys for my kids, play outside with them, read books, but STuFF makes me mad, F*CK I even make jewelry for my wife out of discarded jewelry that my family has passed down to me]) My little six year old piece of crap MAC (as you are so apt to agree with for what ever reason, BECAUSE YOU CAN) has not only served me well but has kept me out of the degenerative loop of materials and waste that are what PCs (and MACS too, but they ARE built better, last longer, and cause less loss in productivity) cycle in an endless loop justifying each advance as best as it can with the propaganda it generates. I think people say they use their computers for reasons only to justify the existance of the computer itself. When in reality they are only playing UT on it ! HAHAHAHAHA <br><br>I used to think that people had the ability to be peaceful if they worked at it. i am now starting to think that humans ARE made IN THE LIKE NESS OF GOD, WHO HAS PRESENTED HIMSELF AS CARELESS, IGNORANT, CRUEL, AND HATEFUL. <br><br>But I will never give up.....I love living. The thinning of the herd happens to those who are ignorant. <br><br><br>You may never want to talk to me again...I am really good at not only making enemies, but losing the friends I have as well. BUT, I really don't care...apathy has made me the misanthrope I am. <br><br>insignificant-ignorant-stupid<br>//\etal//\an<br><br><br><br>WE WILL FIGHT THE HEATHENS, WE WILL FIGHT THE HEATHENS!! <p>http://www.marshallhoyt.com<br><br>see my work...need my work...BUY MY WORK!!!!!</p><i></i>

HEY MM,<br><br>FIGHT THE POWER, I SAY FIGHT THE POWERS THAT BE....<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>ALITTLE BIT OF VENTING THERE.. I HOPE NONE OF THAT WAS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME....? OVER A SILLY LITTLE OPINION...<br><br>YoUrPimP<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>PIMPOLOGY</p><i></i>

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,57280,00.html">www.wired.com/news/mac/0,...80,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Something I came across today. Thought it might be interesting for the masses to check out.<br><br>That link is going to be the extent of my whole view on this. This whole PC vs. MAC thing always seems to get out of hand with the same assertions coming from their respective sides. I'm sure the last thing anybody around here wants to hear is me ranting on like a crazed "brown starfish"<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> about one side or the other.<br><br>Have fun screaming back and forth<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>Think I'm gonna pull up a seat on the bleachers with a bag of popcorn and enjoy the show.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>|<idcapri <p></p><i></i>

Kid,<br>Nice article. I agree totally. <br><br>Pimp,<br>no I wansnt directing my frustration at you. Youll find that i am very intent on fighting the inadequicies of life. And when it comes to me as a person..I am hot-headed, strongly opinionated, contrary to piss people off , and generally a real jerk. If you were to meet me you probably wouldn't like me. Typing is no real description of who all of us are. I try to infuse my words with some of what I just described to you. But it doesnt come close to who I am. I would start typing with all caps to match my constant high tone of voice [the wife thinks Im yellin but its more just to be a jerk] but thats kinda extreme. In all respects i defend myself at every step, even when im wrong! <---real smart huh. (but I am seldom wrong! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!)<br><br>no longer //\etal//\an<br><br>forever<br><br>//\ISA/\/THROPE <p>http://www.marshallhoyt.com<br><br>see my work...need my work...BUY MY WORK!!!!!</p><i></i>

Great article Kid. MM the worlds gonna end soon so don't sweat the small stuff.<img border=0 src="http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/devil.gif" /> <p>Naughtius Maximus</p><i></i>

On 1/29/03 7:42:17 am, MetalMan, now known as Misanthrope typed:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"you must all hate me now....oh well...I say what I say BECAUSE I CAN!"<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Hate you?? Are you kidding. It's refreshing to hear an opinion that is new to me. How can you hate someone that you don't even know? Disagree.... Maybe on a few subjects, but I do like the new ideas that you introduce to me. <br>Now, on with the discussion...<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Let me also share much of the frustration I find in the capitalist system. "The Green Imperative, Ecology and Ethics in ... Architecture by Victor Papanek" is a book that pretty much describes much of my frustration of the american culture in design and ecology.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>This book is free to everyone, right? You do not have to pay to get it? The author receives no compensation for writing it? Just asking. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> My frustrations lie deeper still with the waste and bad decisions we make as human beings. To this you may gain some empathy for why I not only use Macs but have very little tolerance for the excesive squabbling and lost productivity I see in the PC world if not all of america<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Your losing me here. Are you saying that because you use a Mac, you are more productive and "squabble" less than those who do not? This is also a metaphor for the American Condition, for lack of a better term? Help me out on this one.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>As a professional artist I see the inequities of man rather clearly, being that as an artist everything I do is centered around peace and the proliferation of intelligent open minded thought. I try to live my life by the golden rule as best I can and often see NO ONE doing the same (including myself much of the time, maybe i am frustrated with the weakness and inadequicies of human nature as well).<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Interesting statement there. As I am not an artist, I do not know how you see the human condition. I can only see it from my perspective. But, I hope that you can see that "peace" and "intelligent opened minded thought" are very important to me. Perhaps, we are not that different. I believe that you are right in that the Golden Rule is not as common as it once was. More people follow the "Do unto others BEFORE..." rule now than when I was a child. Those folks that follow the Golden Rule do still exist, so I hope you have not given up all hope on humanity. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The book that I mentioned describes the real flaw in capitalism that the PC world exploits to no end...'that you have the right to compete, even when it means stomping out the little guy, at all costs'.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This is by no means a human only trait. I believe that Darwin called it "The Survival of the Fittest". IIRC, you have said in an earlier post that you are an atheist, I can assume that you believe in Evolution. Therefore, you believe that humans are animals. If this is the case, then we have millions of years of evolution working against us, and only thousands in our favor. It stands to reason that we want to crush our competition because it is wired into our heads. <br><br>Big quote here...<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I guess the real problem with PCs that I have is the same problem I have with the decisions we make as a whole in the production of many things. Cars for example...there are HOW many different types of cars, that in reality all work about the same, but we seem to feel we need to make more and more ( Seattle pops into my mind again here) with very little advance in efficiency. Aesthetics are really what drives the manufacture of all these different models. In //\etal//\an's perfect little society I would hope that making tons of cars to meet the aesthetic needs of a nation that buys them for status symbols and because they 'CAN' would seem to be a logically BAD decision that we could see and hopefully stop. What I would hope would result from that would be the creation of a car that was not only efficient but long lasting. That wont happen, and you know why...because theres no money in it. The same goes with PCs. Each step towards that superfast processor is belied by the fact that eventually we WILL get to it, but in the mean time we will keep making them gradually faster to make some extra cash. What I think would be the necessary resolution to that type of problem would be to shift industry to seek out the best possible resolution to what we have RIGHT NOW! Not until we iron out the problems with what is in front of us should we 'advance' to the next set of problems when we cant even solve the problems with the things we have already created.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This is where there is a hole in your logic. Apple has not sold the same computer with the same processor for six years since you received your computer. They have advanced. Why? Because times change. Software changes. Needs change. Yep, your computer may be as good as the day you got it, but I have a feeling that, as time marches on, there will be less and less new things that you can do with it. You may not think that is an issue, which is fine, but I am of the opinion that to remain static in one's thinking is to become stagnant. I choose to continue to progress. Yes sir, there will be problems that arise from this, and sure, we will have existing problems to deal with. I have a job. The position is called a Planner. One of the main responsibilities of my job is to find solutions to problems. It is what I love to do. So to me, problems are not "problems" as much as the unknown. Finding the solution to a problem is akin to making a new discovery. I believe that I understand your argument. Let's give the people a flawed product, and charge them for fixing it, which increases our profits. I agree that that is wrong. I also feel that it is because of people like me that believe in progress, that make it possible for you to be able to voice your opinion to others over the Internet. It takes all kinds of people to have a society. Imagine how boring it would be if everyone thought exactly alike.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>This is where I see artists being different from capitalists in a massive way. The subtle refinement of ones craft is a lifelong endeavor, not motivated by money but the search for truth, and often times never attained within a lifetime.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Uh, I have to respond to this with another quote from you.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>see my work...need my work...BUY MY WORK!!!!!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> Enough said.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Its that statment 'BECAUSE I CAN" that defines our culture so strong, and as well blinds us to the efficient progression of our mental and spiritual lives. We know what the RIGHT thing to do is in any instance of our lives but we use the argument that humans are flawed and will always make bad decisions so i might as well do what I do because it really doesnt matter.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>What's this "we" stuff. Be careful of blanket statements. I think that humanity has made some very good decisions, and the statement "BECAUSE I CAN" should not be portrayed in a negative light. Why should I try to make the world a better place for my family, friends and all humans? BECAUSE I CAN! Do you really believe that we, as a people, are that self centered? <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Really living my life has been a result of pragmatism and simplicity. The complexity of life is what makes us a rich race, and at the same time confuses us with the multitude of decisions we must make.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Thus has it been the same throughout history. The only difference is the types of decisions that we have to make. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>My little six year old piece of crap MAC (as you are so apt to agree with for what ever reason, BECAUSE YOU CAN) has not only served me well but has kept me out of the degenerative loop of materials and waste that are what PCs (and MACS too, but they ARE built better, last longer, and cause less loss in productivity) cycle in an endless loop justifying each advance as best as it can with the propaganda it generates.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I am glad you still love your Mac. As long as it suits your needs, why get anything different? I, on the other hand, want to experience the new. The old, reliable, possession is cherished, but the new possession is exciting. There is a price for the new, exciting gizmo that hit's the market, and I will pay that price to ensure that there will be another, even more exciting product that comes down the pike. <br>"Ahhh, I love the smell of consumerism in the morning."<br><br><br>Now, I hope that none of this has made you angry. I look forward to your response.<br> <p>The Jargonaut<br></p><i></i>

Hey I bought my first computer, an Amiga, in December of 1987. I bought my second, a PC, in December of 1997. Five years later I bought another PC, my third computer in 15 years. Did I buy the latest one too soon? <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Mea Culpa!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Sorry, but I need it to do the digital photography and digital "darkroom" work I plan to do soon. Or would you rather I go back to the harsh chemicals of traditional photography? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I own a gas guzzling '88 5.0 Mustang GT. I guess I shouldn't have bought it, but I couldn't resist picking it up at dealer cost. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :p --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> I bought it brand new in the spring of '89. But I hardly use it. I have just over 30,000 miles on it, in 14 years of ownership. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Mea Culpa</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> again? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :p --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>|\/| |\/|, I think you just need to chill out a bit. The concepts of Justice, Truth, and Beauty are perfect, and unassailable. Mankind may mock them with their very imperfect interpretations of same, but unassailable they remain. Go on telling the truth as you perceive it, and continue to make things of beauty. In this lowest common denominator world, a little bit of the real thing goes a long way towards balancing the scales of cosmic justice. <p></p><i></i>

OK OK OK....I rant constantly, and I often have so much swirling around in my head I omit and incorrectly try to define things that I can do much more effectively by speaking to some one.<br>Quote:<br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>This book is free to everyone, right? You do not have to pay to get it? The author receives no compensation for writing it? Just asking. <br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>I hope there was no sarcasm involved here...because as I will tell you and as you may have found out I really have a very limited ability to capture sarcasm. Can you imagine how mad i get at people sometimes? But no...it is a book book. You can buy it at Barnes and Noble and like bookstores. it really changed the way I look at our consumer society. He worked with Frank Lloyd Wright so he has an amazing sense of space and time and how things get done. I own it.<br><br>Quote:<br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Your losing me here. Are you saying that because you use a Mac, you are more productive and "squabble" less than those who do not? This is also a metaphor for the American Condition, for lack of a better term? Help me out on this one.<br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>No.... I am saying that i spend less time repairing my machine. I don't dawdle with it because it does what i need it to do and more. It is a fact that Macs break down far less than PCs for many reasons....hardware conflicts is the #1 reason PCs are conflicted.<br><br>And yes...this is also a metaphor for the American Condition. I beleive we make problems for ourselves , as humans. Take religion for example...if you look at all religion it really boils down to one statement "DO GOOD". But people cannot accept that as the end all. They need rules and order for them so they have some type of thing to fall on when just 'doing good' doesnt seem to be working out for them. <br><br><br>Quote:<br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Interesting statement there. As I am not an artist, I do not know how you see the human condition. I can only see it from my perspective. But, I hope that you can see that "peace" and "intelligent opened minded thought" are very important to me. Perhaps, we are not that different. I believe that you are right in that the Golden Rule is not as common as it once was. More people follow the "Do unto others BEFORE..." rule now than when I was a child. Those folks that follow the Golden Rule do still exist, so I hope you have not given up all hope on humanity. <br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>I see the human condition as flawed. We are all so different from one another and want that individuality to be what defines us, as well as being part of a group we can identify with at the same time. I am glad peace and open minded thought are parts of you as a human. I think peaceful people are in essence abberations of the human species. We are still violent, animalistic, selfish beings operating on insticts passed down from animals, that we try to come to terms with using logic rather than just saying 'Thats what we are". Striving for the peaceful end is such a small fraction of all cultures, we are a very degenerative race. And even scientists and artists fall into this category. trying to find peace by polluting the world is reckless disregard, or ignorant. We all do it. Even with the best of intentions. But good intentions is where it starts.<br><br>Unfortunately i have given up on trying to think that we are ALL capable of peaceful and intelligent action in the world...thusly the<br> //\ISA/\/THROPE is born anew.<br><br>Quote:<br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>This is by no means a human only trait. I believe that Darwin called it "The Survival of the Fittest". IIRC, you have said in an earlier post that you are an atheist, I can assume that you believe in Evolution. Therefore, you believe that humans are animals. If this is the case, then we have millions of years of evolution working against us, and only thousands in our favor. It stands to reason that we want to crush our competition because it is wired into our heads. <br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Actually I do believe in a higher power. Spirituality is not lost to me. I am an agnostic-darwinist-misanthrope if that is possible. "It stands to reason that we want to crush our competition because it is wired into our heads." Yup. We are animals Jarg.<br><br>Quote:<br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>This is where there is a hole in your logic. Apple has not sold the same computer with the same processor for six years since you received your computer. They have advanced. Why? Because times change. Software changes. Needs change. Yep, your computer may be as good as the day you got it, but I have a feeling that, as time marches on, there will be less and less new things that you can do with it. You may not think that is an issue, which is fine, but I am of the opinion that to remain static in one's thinking is to become stagnant. I choose to continue to progress. Yes sir, there will be problems that arise from this, and sure, we will have existing problems to deal with. I have a job. The position is called a Planner. One of the main responsibilities of my job is to find solutions to problems. It is what I love to do. So to me, problems are not "problems" as much as the unknown. Finding the solution to a problem is akin to making a new discovery. I believe that I understand your argument. Let's give the people a flawed product, and charge them for fixing it, which increases our profits. I agree that that is wrong. I also feel that it is because of people like me that believe in progress, that make it possible for you to be able to voice your opinion to others over the Internet. It takes all kinds of people to have a society. Imagine how boring it would be if everyone thought exactly alike.<br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>What i am implying is re-fitting the world. In thought and physicality. Make a computer ,using all the people who do just that, and make it so fucking good that it would take hundreds of years to advance any further. What that would entail is trillions of people losing their jobs. having to learn new ones and then re-fittng the world with the technology that is driven by perfection, not competition. This goes back to the PC hardware conflict thing. If seventy people make the same thing and none of them are talking to one another constantly, they WILL have problems trying to get all these things together. Ultimately i would hope it would free our world up to do really meaningful things, like explore space (with those perfect machines, cure disease, art!) Not trying to get in the market just because you know the same thing as another guy and want to apply that. Work together! Make it work the first time!<br><br>Quote:<br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>This is where I see artists being different from capitalists in a massive way. The subtle refinement of ones craft is a lifelong endeavor, not motivated by money but the search for truth, and often times never attained within a lifetime.<br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Uh, I have to respond to this with another quote from you.<br><br><br>Quote:<br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>see my work...need my work...BUY MY WORK!!!!!<br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Enough said.<br><br><br><br>OK OK OK<br><br>I am a jerk. I have given up on trying to fight many battles. One of those is in money. If I get it great! But at the same time so what? I'll just give it to the kids or my wife, and still do what I do! I guess that little tag is my attempt at sarcasm to myself...not really even to others.<br><br>Quote:<br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>What's this "we" stuff. Be careful of blanket statements. I think that humanity has made some very good decisions, and the statement "BECAUSE I CAN" should not be portrayed in a negative light. Why should I try to make the world a better place for my family, friends and all humans? BECAUSE I CAN! Do you really believe that we, as a people, are that self centered? <br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br>Yes I do Jarg. I think AMERICANS, many of them, are very self centered. An I only base this opinion on my life experiences. It doesn't help that i married into a family that is rich and uses money to try and control one another either. That just justifys what i believe. MISANTHROPE is a powerful way of me being dissatisfied with the innefectuality of what I do (ie Define the culture I live in through my art) I know what i do is important, but I dont feel like others see that...and now i dont care.<br><br>And I do think that 'Because I can' is a powerful thing, and positive. But it is a double edged sword. I CAN steal a car. I CAN kill you. I CAN choose not to make a difference in the world.<br><br>Quote:<br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>I am glad you still love your Mac. As long as it suits your needs, why get anything different? I, on the other hand, want to experience the new. The old, reliable, possession is cherished, but the new possession is exciting. There is a price for the new, exciting gizmo that hit's the market, and I will pay that price to ensure that there will be another, even more exciting product that comes down the pike. <br>"Ahhh, I love the smell of consumerism in the morning."<br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br>And that consumerism is the force that has forced me to use nothing but waste in my work. I cannot and will not make the amount of waste that we produce, as a race, any more than I can. This goes back to the re-fit of the world. We have to see what we are doing to the world and ourselves and make a change ALL AT ONCE, or it will continue this way forever until there is nothing for us and the planet moves on. I would rather we be more specific in our endeavors on this planet. Cure disease, make the things we have WORK and work the best they ever will, control our breeding through intelligence not subdued instinct or BECAUSE I CAN. These are just a few. <br><br>BECAUSE I CAN I am going to go drive my fossil fuel burning vehicle home, that is being powered by a dam, that is killing species of fish, and eat a hamburger that is raised ona farm, that once used to be a rain forest BECAUSE I CAN.<br><br>Can you see why hope is very much lost on me Jarg? But I cant live my life making myself miserable because of human nature! I am going home to love my family. To build art that decribes my love for the world, that will hopefully live on to teach others the effect culture had on me and others like me at the time I was on this little rock....BECAUSE I CAN! <br><br>and no...this kind of conversation is what makes me happy to be a human. Even if I disagree i am connecting with you and you with me....and nothing bad can come from that.<br><br>//\ISA/\/THROPE<br><br>aka <br>Marshall<br><br>ps forgive the spelling...i dont use spellcheck...why...BECAUSE I CAN!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!<br><br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>http://www.marshallhoyt.com<br><br>see my work...need my work...BUY MY WORK!!!!!</p><i></i>

Hey would you guys shut up already and get in the Arena and frag.<img border=0 src="http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif" /> I LOVE U GUYS><img border=0 src="http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/tongue.gif" /> <p>Naughtius Maximus</p><i></i>