Newbie Sniper Question......Why is it that sometimes my bullets don't fire straight? I'm aiming right at you but the bullets fly in a different directions.
And why is that sometimes my gun is an automatic and sometimes a single shot?

rapid fire when camping single shot when moving its a camping server no run and gun i beleve mate

If its the DOU server your asking about The_One is 100% correct if you run it shoots slow and all over the place stand still or crouch and you get straight rapid fire.

D.M.

Live and learn....now you better hide.

thanks guys

I Move from R and G


Herm

A precision (as I play seriousely sniper since a few months) sniping and camping besides runnig and gunning are much more different in sniper game than in our redeemer gaming.
In redeemer both CAN give a similar result in most of maps.
In sniping and camping game (hard way), if you don't allow run and gun, it's harder to have an efficient strategy to hit other players without being hit. And it's much more calm to play.
In running and gunning game (and I must add "jumping", it's harder to be skilled enough and a "strategic gaming" is not rteally reqiered. But it's hard too because it takes many time to run, jump and HIT others !!!
Another precision : if you camp and you have a real good player that knows how to run, jump and gun, you're almost sure to loose even if you have a good spot !
Shorthand :
Camp and snipe = interesting because you have to know very well the maps and to be very tricky (and a little skilled) to go to THE good place to shoot others. Hard to play well !!!
Run and gun = interesting because you have to know very well the maps and to be very much skilled (and a little tricky) to go to ALL places to shoot others. Hard to play well !!!
In my case, it's harder to be good in R&G than in snipe and camp game but I love both (and there are servers for each king of game)

Maybe we could incorporate this into the Redeemer servers. Divide servers into Run and Gun, Spray and Pray and Hide and Seek?
Or maybe divide maps into these different categories.
Just a thought

So, I don't think it should be necessary to divide in deemer... but you knew that... ;)

But it's okay to divide/separate sniper servers? Just as long as it's not the ClanDOU Sniper right? Spoken like a true camper there LePoLoo/Moon.

And it's funny....I beg to differ when it comes to the different techniques used in redeemer but you're on the same fence when it comes to sniping.....and you're not willing to defend redeemer in the same light? You can't go two different ways on one issue can you...and still be right?
I know I know...you're going to say "redeemer and sniper are two different animals".

So, what the real issue is...is the coexistence of different techniques in one venue or arena. For sniper I like camping but again, I say I like camping for redeemer and I'm the azz hole...lol

Hmmm no i wouldnt say you are just that in deemers any style seams to work and has been played that way since the start and in sniper it has been seperated pretty much since the start i think its more to do with "what you grew up with" you get used to what you play the most and for most here it seams to be freestyle deemering and either run n gun or camper in sniper.

D.M.

That reminds me. How is your redeemer server coming along?

Just because it was that way from the beginning doesn't make it right or doesn't mean we can not change it? Plus, It's obvious that Sniper is a more popular game than Redeemer. And even though the definition or objective of sniping/sniper is: shooting an enemy from a concealed position or location, who's to say we can't use a different technique? Much like the redeemer: a guided missile but we still take liberties with the way we use it.
The question is "would it be better"? Obviously some of us are to comfortable and don't want or like change.
But would it be better? A good camper (someone hiding) shouldn't worry about being seen....but should only worry about hitting a moving target.
But if it was up to me (heaven forbid) I'd have different servers for different techniques....but if we had that who would complain?...lol

lol Meat, I know you like to do as if you don't understand things !

I think my post before is clear : redeemer r&g or hide and guide give almost the same result in about 95% of maps. It's the same world.

In sniper/camper game, if you have some run and gunner in game, YOU JUST CAN'T PLAY and have no chance to win any map ! that's it !
Besides that, in a camping server, a run and gunner xhould be bored.
those 2 technics are "different worlds" and incompatible.

I have noticed that the best players on the DOU server do a kinda pseudo run and gun. They run along and when they see someone immediatly hit the crouch button. This makes them, in effect, runners and gunners. The skill is to be able to aim quickly enough to hit your opponent before he hits you.
Still, DOU has an Uzi server up. This weapon is perfect for both snipers and r' & g'ers because it has a sniper scope as it's alt fire.
I have tried it, but I do not care for it too much. Then again, if there were a room full of humans instaed of bots... Who knows? I may just love it.

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject:

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Oddly enough I do understand. The Run and Gun technique is a threat to your Camp style strategy. I'd be scared too. But you should have faith in your technique and map knowledge.
And it's obvious that they are two different styles, much like the different styles with the redeemer, but you seem to think that's okay.
And yes, 95% is roughly correct because a majority of the maps are small and favors the Spray & Pray. That is why Spray & Pray and Hide & Seek are not all that compatible. But there is no merit in saying that Run & Gun and Camping are not compatible.
And you're right Jarg, there is some Run & Gun of the bogus kind during ClanDOU sniping. Away of getting around for the most part, especially for those like me that are not familiar with the maps and a way for the better players to change positions.
lol...bots do make a difference huh.