Announcement!! New Magazine for SRA Members!!

IVIetalIVIan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 25, 2002 1:52 pm **Posts:** 63

Hey Naut, Sounds great! I've been trying to brainstorm all the new headlines and Im really not that good at it. Shoot any you have my way! As far as doctored photos...Ill take em all! I want to do one issue with an execution style cover/Martha Stewart layout look! So I have been in the arenas trying to get shots of people kneeling and others with the redeemer in the down position. I' close, but I really havent tried too hard. If you want to alternate issues (you do one then me) that would be cool too. Let me know what you think! Any thing you want to send to me you can do a number of different ways, one is through AIM (which I actually like because its so freakin fast...have you tried? Its great.) My AIM name is SAR 1 freak whenever you see me online hail me and we'll see what we can do. The other is through all my different emails. Check my site, but I think I have three. However they are all routed to marshallhoyt@hotmail.com So dont send anything huge to that addresss. If you want to send something big catch me on AIM, or we'll work out a time to do it. Like I said...think about the SRA rag a bit and see what you come up with. Maybe we can collaborate! Photoshop-MASTER //\etal//\an http://www.marshallhoyt.com see my work...need my work...BUY MY WORK!!!!!

IVIetalIVIan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 25, 2002 1:52 pm **Posts:** 63

Naut, Personnally I prefer Photoshop to ANY of the other programs out there. In all practicality it is the strongest software out there for the artist. I really DON'T like Illustrator and Quark for one very important reason, limits. For example, in Illustrator the program does too much work trying to strighten your lines and define unnecessary objects. Its a program for people who cant draw...it does the work for you, and it shows in the end product. Quark is as well at fault with having format so overriding that you are left with just a few tools that really hamper the ability to work fast. I think of Photoshop much as I think of my brushes and paints and welders and tools in my studio. All of them rely on MY creativity to make them valuable. I think that many programs limit your choices as artists. I dont want anyone telling me that i need to hold my 'brush' differently! Photoshop-en-heimer, //\etal//\an http://www.marshallhoyt.com see my work...need my work...BUY MY WORK!!!!!

kidcapri · **Posted:** Tue Jan 21, 2003 1:45 pm

Photoshop is a great program when it comes to photos and straight out drawing. But to say that Photoshop is better than the other 2 programs you listed is like saying that a sports car is better than a pickup truck. It all depends on what you use it for. You would not try and load a ton of dirt in the back of a sports car now would ya? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> Illustrator and Photoshop are both Adobe products and were made for 2 different purposes. Illustrator is a decent drawing program but it is used more as a layout application than a drawing program from my understanding. Quark is straight out a layout program and to put it up against Photoshop is basically stupid. Quark isn't a drawing program at all. Yeah you can draw in it if it came down to it but I really don't think that was its intended purpose. "Quark is as well at fault with having format so overriding that you are left with just a few tools that really hamper the ability to work fast." Do you have any clue what your talking about Metal? How long did it take you to throw that page together in Photoshop? You could have knocked that page in no time in Quark with very little effort. You would have still had to use Photoshop to set up the picture you used in the background but I am willing to bet that most of the time you spent on it was trying to get the type the right size and postioned on the picture. Man, you think an artist/teacher/graphic artist would know the difference between these 3 programs.........sheesh. Get off the artsie fartsie soap box dude. I believe Naut asked ya a straight up question.........wanting a straight up answer.......or at least that is the way I read it. One of the other Mac Fondlers |<idcapri

NAUTMAX · **Joined:** Sun Sep 01, 2002 11:03 am **Posts:** 168

Hey now. No fighting amongst the Mac faithful. I hate to say it MM but the Kid is correct. Quark and Photoshop are apples and oranges. You can compare Indesign and Quark if you like because they're both layout programs but not Photoshop and Quark. As far as Illustratror goes I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one as well. I love Illustrator. It especially useful when you wanna make a poster or billboard or a giant advert for the side of a bus. It's vector based so there is no pixelization when you blow up your work to a ridiculous size. I like using it with my Wacom tablet and pen. Smooth lines look real nice on the big stuff. Of course none of my stuff is on a billboard or bus yet.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> I am a little pissed at the folks at quark though. They have been dragging their feet on porting their product over to OSX. Indesign by Adobe is already there. Adobe can make a real dent in Quarks customer base. As far as collaborating on the Mag that would be cool as hell Metal but it is your Baby so just let me know what your looking for and I'll be glad to help. Are you using OSX yet or are you still Running 9. I think I have your AIM account in my buddy list already as well as Kids. I'll try to get some screen captures as well and try to brainstorm on some ideas for the Zine. Maybe some of the other folks like Mah and Schwantz can send some cool screens as well. My email is feydakin@mac.com if anyone wants to do that. You can use that email in your buddy list for AIM as well. AOL and Apple got together inm order for AIM folks and people with Mac mail accounts to converse with each other without Mac folks having to download AIM. Naughtius Maximus

kidcapri · **Posted:** Tue Jan 21, 2003 4:00 pm

>D Sorry there........hands engaged before the brain decided to catch up. I did get a bit hostile didn't I. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> I guess your peers can be your toughest critics sometime. Sorry the graphic artist in me had to jump out and get his 2 cents in there. My nitch is advertising layouts so I guess that's why the Quark thing bothered me so bad. I use Quark basically everyday along with Photoshop and Freehand hiding in the background.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> |<idcapri

IVIetalIVIan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 25, 2002 1:52 pm **Posts:** 63

I feared as much... one of the things i learned about all the programs in question are that the all operate using a slightly different language. Now I am not talking about coding or programming as much as interface. Photoshop can do all the things the other programs can...the others were created to satisfy each area of the arts differently. Like I said , I dont want anyone telling me how to use my brush! That goes for almost anything I use. I try and gain the skills the old fashioned way, by doing it! Illustrator is only different in the effect of its corrections it makes to your marks (ie the bitmap smooth lines you talk of) those can be attained with larger files in Photoshop (my typical document size is roughly 30 megs...for a small doc!) Now I understand why these programs were created (to put money in the pockets of those with really unintelligent ideas rather than problem solvers who try to make the tools they have created WORK), for speed. But the speed is attained at a loss of skill (yeah yeah...the business world yadda yadda yadda...I choose not to be part of that filthy thing)), and limitation of tools in my opinion. I TEACH Illustrator and Photoshop as well so using them on a daily basis which gives me a very good understanding of them as well as when I use them for my own art. Its not enough to say "I love Illustrator. It especially useful when you wanna make a poster or billboard or a giant advert for the side of a bus. It's vector based so there is no pixelization when you blow up your work to a ridiculous size. I like using it with my Wacom tablet and pen. Smooth lines look real nice on the big stuff." Thats almost like saying. "I have a pneumatic hammer to carve stone with, but I dont use it" The choice isnt a justification. All the programmers out there are trying to eek more money out of the populace by limiting the creativity that is found in hard work. (NOT TO SAY THAT YOU ALL DONT WORK HARD....lets not get touchy.) Quark is especially so, it caters to a very limited field. I guess I yearn for flexibility that the other two programs dont have for me...and the only things in Photoshop i DONT use on a regular basis are channels and paths. You know this is stupid.....I like makin art....I hope yall do to...no need for bickering. Oh and by the way...the mag took all of 10 minutes to complete. From pilfering the nuke image offf the web (which explains the jaggies Kid) to saving the small JPEG from the 54MB document it came from. I dont piddle.... //\etal//\an ps An amazing artist named Jenny Holzer created a body of work that deals with what she calls 'truisms'. Truisms are those things we know are true but lack the substantiality of absolutism. These are a few: Most people are not fit to rule themselves Humanism is obsolete Anger or hate can be a useful motivating force Faithfulness is a social not a biological law Morals are for little people Money creates taste Murder has its sexual side Private property created crime and above all my favorite of all of them, People who don't work with their hands are parasites http://www.marshallhoyt.com see my work...need my work...BUY MY WORK!!!!!Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub44.ezboard.com/bschwantzsredeemerarenaserver.showUserPublicProfile?gid=ivietalivian@schwantzsredeemerarenaserver>IVIetalIVIan</A> at: 1/21/03 7:51:29 pm

NAUTMAX · **Joined:** Sun Sep 01, 2002 11:03 am **Posts:** 168

Holy Smokes. I just wanted to know if you used Quark and look what it turned into. LOL. I have to tell you I'm a little disappointed in you MM. As an artist you should be using all the tools available in your little artist tackle box, not just the one. Even if it is a pneumatic hammer. I'm guessing you have a magazine subscription. Maybe MacAddict or MacWorld or maybe even HOW magazine. All layed out in quark. Now you might not like the program but it's the industry standard. Why is this important to me you might ask. I was going to school for commercial art at one time. It's just part of the business. Now as far as quark goes I don't think it's a great program. It's pretty basic as a matter of fact. But it does make it a hell of a lot easier to lay out all that fun stuff like you did on the SRA zine. Now getting back to illustrator. I did a whole children's story in illustrator and it came out pretty damn good. According to you it takes less skill to use Illustrator though. Hmmmm. I think I've been insulted. You said you don't use paths and channels. What the heck is that all about. I use the path tool all the time. As a matter of fact I used the path tool on the player in the logo I did. Otherwise I'd have to sit there erasing for an hour and a half or magic wanding everything in site and still not getting as clean a finished product. OK I feel better now. I think someone with a windows machine must have started this argument. There is no way us Mac guys are dookin' it out. It's aPC conspiracy I'm tellin' ya. Divide and Conquer, that's their plan. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> Naughtius Maximus

IVIetalIVIan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 25, 2002 1:52 pm **Posts:** 63

your right Im wrong http://www.marshallhoyt.com see my work...need my work...BUY MY WORK!!!!!

NAUTMAX · **Joined:** Sun Sep 01, 2002 11:03 am **Posts:** 168

You been talkin' to my wife?<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> Naughtius Maximus

IVIetalIVIan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 25, 2002 1:52 pm **Posts:** 63

<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> Its the beaten down syndrome!! AHAHAHAHAHAH All uss married types have it I thought!!! AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> //\etal//\an http://www.marshallhoyt.com see my work...need my work...BUY MY WORK!!!!!

kidcapri · **Posted:** Wed Jan 22, 2003 12:48 pm

LOL u got that right MM<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

yourpimp · **Joined:** Sat Sep 28, 2002 2:10 pm **Posts:** 149

hahaha, look we have u mac addicts in a craze of words and funky smiley faces... oh the joy of insanity...lol the plan is unfolding before my eyes master of the gates<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil"> what is our next course of action? hahaha .. good thing this isnt a bar... you would have your one button mouses up your arses. lol later fellaz, YoUrPiMp PIMPOLOGY

Mahatma · **Posted:** Wed Jan 22, 2003 11:13 pm

I dated Jenny Holzer. How did you think she got the idea for those truisms?

IVIetalIVIan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 25, 2002 1:52 pm **Posts:** 63

Yeah I was thinking about that the other day...that is , what the advantages of a two button mouse are (being that I have one , and its kind of decadant, I will hypocritically continue) One of my students was trying to argue that it was SOOOO superior...he said all you have to do is 'right click and hold, scroll down to exit, then let go of the clicker, to exit the program [actually I was defending the command-q Macs use. Anyway I had to point out to him that that was 3 different thing he had to do to exit his program....hmmmm...not very efficient it sounds. Being that you PC folk cant quit a program without doing these weird little actions still amazes me! Another example [to quelch the anger I can feel rising about using the 'close box' in the upper right of most PC programs] is I was working for a steel company and the programs we used had to be closed down from the dropdown file menu because the colse box would make these weird conflicts happen, then the blue screen of death [that just is the most hilariuos thing I have ever seen ] . Another is my wifes brand new Winbook J1, you cant exit about three programs without doing it from the file menu. Now granted software conflicts may be the cause of this BUT [<-----now thats a big BUT] how can you guys live having to do all those weird ass steps? Two keystrokes is all I need. Oh and I dont want to hear one complaint about double clicking since ALL pcs use that as a default to open their apps as well. Oh and by the way, for the first year I fragged pretty hard with my little one button mouse. click-alt-scroll-exit-delete //\etal//\an<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> http://www.marshallhoyt.com see my work...need my work...BUY MY WORK!!!!!

clemmentine · **Posted:** Thu Jan 23, 2003 11:45 pm

nice magazine cover! alt-f4 to close/exit/quit. there is a setting for one-click app open. - clemmentine ____________________________________________________________ ... To the depths of the ocean where all hopes sank, searching for you, I was moving through the silence without motion, waiting for you, In a room with a window in the corner I found truth. "Shadowplay" by Joy Division

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