That's the one!

Here is something interesting and perhaps enlightening, or maybe even frightening. I was surprised by what this article says about Western Muslim young people. But it does seem to underline the need for moderate Muslims to stop being so passive and speak out against violence, at long last.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_fatah/20050722.html

That statement is pretty damn straightforward. You can place just about anything before or after that statement anbd it would still be insulting to anyone with half a brain.

As for the Iraq war I don't think there is anyone who thought that defeating Iraq was going to end terrorism. I really don't give a shit that they didn't find WMD either. A tyrant was removed from power and that's good enough for me. Perhaps if the rest of the world had backed us then we wouldn't have the mess that we have now. These scumbags read the paper and watch the news. They see the Western media claiming it's a quagmire and so they continue doing what they are doing. Meanwhile AlJazeera continues to give it's lopsided view of events in Iraq and Afganistan as well. Firing up the muslim world against the great Satan.

Enlighten me on how the US should go about stopping this Non-threat. Apparently the Liberals have all the answers but for some reason keep their cards really close to their chests.

Oh yeah and here we go again.

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/celeb/articl ... 3309990001

Interesting that they point to Bosnia as the reason for the increase in Militant muslims. The Muslims are slaughtering Christians in Sudan but ya don't see Christians running around with bombs strapped to their backs screaming "God is good! God is great!".

By the way wasn't it mostly Western forces under the UN banner that came to the aid of the muslims in Bosnia?

The installations the Americans should have bombed were the Aljazzera offices and transmitters, -if diplomacy with the host country had failed. A good use for a few cruise missiles.

Invading Iraq was a bone headed Bush administration idea, and I'm still wondering how the hell he talked the UK into joining him. What were they promised? I still think Mr. Moore had at least some of it right when he pointed out the people and the oil interests Bush was and is associated with, and how it all comes together in Iraq.

As for the young Muslim people, I'm still trying to work out the thought process they're following to end up being so radicallized. The rest of the moderate Muslims must follow the lead of the Mullahs in the UK who issued a Fatweh against terrorism. Here in Canada all the Mullahs would do is speak out against violence. If the moderates don't want their religion to fall any lower in world esteem, they'd better get their asses in gear. And soon.

If it's about Oil why didn't we snatch it back in 91. I get a laugh at all the folks that bring up the oil thing. You don't see too many of them riding bikes to work. I think that's called Hypocrisy. And let's not forget the real reason why France, Germany & Russia didn't get involved. They were all owed big cash for all the military hardware they had sold Saddam over the years (this includes the sanction years folks) as well has having lucrative OIL deals with him.

I think Mr.Blair remembers who stood side by side with the UK against the Nazi's. Apparently the French don't Remember.

I'll reiterate my question. What should the U.S. have done after the Taliban? Was that enough?

1991 was when Iraq should have been occupied. The timing, the circumstances, etc. were perfect. The UN let Bush Sr. down badly when they didn't support his bid to occupy all of Iraq.

Now instead the US is stuck in a quagmire for years and years. And at a time when its national debt was so large before the occupation that it was problematic if it could ever have been paid off. Now it gets worse day by day.
As far as the oil argument goes, it seems evident that oil has always been part of the equation, but not the whole thing, as some would simplistically like to make it appear.

I reiterate that Bush Jr.'s decision to occupy Iraq was a bone headed idea. The timing was all wrong, the US is stuck there for years, the price is exorbitant, and instead of barrels of oil, it is coffins that are being shipped home at a great rate.

I hope nobody takes it the wrong way when I say "It's been one big f*ck up after another with this problem". If someone screws up the first time and don't accept the responsibility for at least helping correct things, there will be consequences later on, and they may be worse than one might think.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That's what makes free societies great. I would still like to know what you think the US should have done after the Taliban fell. Or maybe even after 9/11. It's easy to be an arm chair general and point fingers. If ya think that it was wrong to go into Iraq then what should the US have done after Afganistan.

Everything else.

That brush paints to wide "Everything else" that would include surrender, lay down and die, etc.

As for consequences looks like we reap them if we play or not. So lets rock......................

Worst terrorist strikes--U.S. and worldwide
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Deadliest terrorist strikes in the United States

date attack and location fatalities injuries

11 Sep 2001 crashing of hijacked planes into World Trade Center, New York City, New York, Pentagon in Alexandria, Virginia, and site in Pennsylvania 2,993 8,900

19 Apr 1995 truck bombing of federal building, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 169 675

16 Sep 1920 bombing near bank in New York City, New York 38 300

1 Oct 1910 bombing at newspaper building in Los Angeles, California 20 20

4 May 1886 bombing and riot at Haymarket Square rally in Chicago, Illinois 12 60

29 Dec 1975 bombing at airport in New York City, New York 11 75

22 Jul 1916 bombing at parade in San Francisco, California 10 40

26 Feb 1993 truck bombing of World Trade Center, New York City, New York 6 1,040

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Deadliest terrorist strikes, worldwide *

* Includes attacks resulting in at least 100 fatalities. Some sources do not consider all of these attacks to be terrorist attacks; for discussion see this page.

date attack and location fatalities injuries

11 Sep 2001 crashing of hijacked planes into World Trade Center, New York City, New York, Pentagon in Alexandria, Virginia, and site in Pennsylvania, USA 2,993 8,900

20 Aug 1978 arson of theater in Abadan, Iran 477 ?

1-3 Sep 2004 hostage taking at school in Beslan, Russia (includes 30 terrorists killed) 366 747

23 Jun 1985 mid-air bombing of Air India flight off Ireland, and attempted bombing of second flight in Canada 331 4

12 Mar 1993 15 bombings in Bombay, India 317 1,400

8 Aug 1998 truck bombings of U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Saalam, Tanzania 303 4,954

23 Oct 1983 truck bombings of U.S. Marine and French barracks, Beirut, Lebanon 301 161

22 Sep 1997 attack at Ben Talha, Algeria 277 ?

30 Dec 1997 attack at Ami Moussa, Algeria 272 ?

21 Dec 1988 mid-air bombing of Pan Am flight over Lockerbie, Scotland 270 12

20 Nov-5 Dec 1979 hostage taking at Grand Mosque in Mecca,
Saudi Arabia (includes 87 terrorists killed) 240 600

21 Feb 2004 armed attack and arson at refugee camp, Uganda 239 60

29 Aug 1997 attacks at Sidi Moussa and Hais Rais, Algeria 238 ?

31 Oct 1999 intentional crash of Egypt Air flight off Massachusetts, USA, by pilot 217 0

12 Oct 2002 car bombing outside nightclub in Kuta, Indonesia 202 350

11 Mar 2004 bombings of four trains in Madrid, Spain 191 1,876

2 Mar 2004 multiple suicide bombings at shrines in Kadhimiya and Karbala, Iraq 188 430

4 Jan 1998 attacks at Had Chekala, Remka, and Ain Tarik, Algeria 172 ?

19 Sep 1989 mid-air bombing of French UTA flight in Chad 171 0

26 Oct 2002 hostage taking and attempted rescue in theater in Moscow, Russia (includes 41 terrorists killed) 170 656

19 Apr 1995 truck bombing of federal building, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA 169 675

16 Apr 1925 bombing of cathedral in Sophia, Bulgaria 160 ?

10 Aug 2001 attack on train south of Luanda, Angola 152 146

14 May 1985 armed attack on crowds in Anuradhapura, Sri Lanka 150 ?

14-19 June 1996 hostage taking in Budennovsk, Russia, and two failed rescue attempts 143 435

3 Aug 1990 armed attack at two mosques in Kathankudy, Sri Lanka 140 70

28 Feb 2005 car bombing outside medical clinic in Hilla, Iraq 135 130

2 Oct 1990 crash of hijacked PRC airliner in Guangzhou, PRC 132 49

13 Sep 1999 bombing of apartment building in Moscow, Russia 130 150

18 Apr 1987 roadway ambush near Alut Oya, Sri Lanka 127 64

23 Nov 1996 crash of hijacked Ethiopian Air flight off Comoros 127 48

29 Aug 2003 car bombing outside mosque in Najaf, Iraq 125 500

13 Aug 1990 armed attack at mosque in Eravur, Sri Lanka 122 79

27 Feb 2004 bombing and fire on ferry near Manila, Philippines 118 9

29 Nov 1987 mid-air bombing of Korean Air flight near Burma 115 0

23 Sep 1983 crash of Gulf Air flight following mid-air bombing over the UAE 112 0

27 Nov 1989 mid-air bombing of Avianca flight in Bogota, Columbia 110 ?

1 Feb 2004 two suicide bombings of political party offices in Irbil, Iraq 109 240

21 Apr 1987 bombing of bus depot in Columbo, Sri Lanka 106 295

22 Sep 1993 crash of airliner struck by missile in Sukhumi, Georgia 106 26

24 Jun 2004 multiple bombings and armed attacks in several cities in Iraq 103 324

11 Jan 1998 attack on movie theater and mosque at Sidi Hamed, Algeria 103 70

13 Dec 1921 bombing of Bolgard palace in Bessarabia (modern Moldova) 100 ?

18 May 1973 mid-air bombing of Aeroflot airliner, Siberia 100 0

4 Dec 1977 crash of hijacked Malaysian airliner near Malaysia 100 0

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Significant terrorist acts using unconventional weapons

date attack and location fatalities injuries

6 Sep 1987 water poisoning with pesticide at constabulary in Zamboanga City, Philippines 19 140

21 Jan 1994 attack with chemical grenades on village of Ormancik, Turkey 16 ?

20 Mar 1995 sarin nerve gas attack in subway in Toyko, Japan 12 5,511

27 Jun 1994 nerve gas attack in Matsumoto, Japan 7 270

9 Oct 2001 anthrax-laced letters mailed to Washington, DC, USA 4 7

18 Sep 2001 anthrax-laced letters mailed to West Palm Beach, Florida, USA, and New York City, New York, USA 1 10

19 Apr 1946 cyanide poisoning in prison near Nuremberg, Germany 0 2,283

9-19 Sep 1984 salmonella poisoning in restaurants in The Dalles, Oregon, USA 0 751

19 Apr 1995 tear gas attack in Yokohama, Japan 0 272

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Terrorist attacks producing high numbers of non-fatal injuries*

* This listing is incomplete and includes attacks resulting in 300 or more injuries apart from fatalities. Note than these figures are not as consistently defined by reporting authorities.

date attack and location fatalities injuries

11 Sep 2001 crashing of hijacked planes into World Trade Center, New York City, New York, Pentagon in Alexandria, Virginia, and site in Pennsylvania, USA 2,993 8,900

20 Mar 1995 sarin nerve gas attack in subway in Toyko, Japan 12 5,511

8 Aug 1998 truck bombings of U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Saalam, Tanzania 303 4,954

19 Apr 1946 cyanide poisoning in prison near Nuremberg, Germany 0 2,283

11 Mar 2004 bombings of four trains in Madrid, Spain 191 1,876

12 Mar 1993 15 bombings in Bombay, India 317 1,400

31 Jan 1996 suicide truck bombing of bank in Colombo, Sri Lanka 91 1,400

26 Feb 1993 truck bombing in garage of World Trade Center, New York City, USA 6 1,040

6 Dec 1989 truck bombing at federal police building in Bogota, Columbia 52 1,000

9-19 Sep 1984 salmonella poisoning in restaurants in The Dalles, Oregon, USA 0 751

1-3 Sep 2004 hostage taking at school in Beslan, Russia (includes 35 terrorists killed) 372 747

1 Oct 1982 truck bombing in public square in Tehran, Iran 60 700

7 Jul 2005 bombings of three subway trains and one bus in London, UK 54 700

19 Apr 1995 truck bombing of federal building, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA 169 675

26 Oct 2002 hostage taking and attempted rescue in theater in Moscow, Russia (includes 41 terrorists killed) 170 656

27 Dec 2002 two car bombings outside government house, Chechnya, Russia 71 640

20 Nov-5 Dec 1979 hostage taking at Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia (includes 87 terrorists killed) 240 600

17 Jul 1996 bombing of train in Sri Lanka 70 600

15 Aug 1998 two car bombings in Omagh, Northern Ireland, UK 29 530

26 Jun 1996 truck bombing at U.S. military housing complex in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia 19 515

29 Aug 2003 car bombing outside mosque in Najaf, Iraq 125 500

16 Sep 1999 car bombing in Volgodonsk, Russia 17 480

14-19 June 1996 hostage taking in Budennovsk, Russia, and two failed rescue attempts 143 435

2 Mar 2004 multiple suicide bombings at shrines in Kadhimiya and Karbala, Iraq 188 430

20 Nov 2003 suicide bombings of British consulate and bank in Istanbul, Turkey 30 400

12 Oct 2002 car bombing outside nightclub in Kuta, Indonesia 202 350

24 Jun 2004 multiple bombings and armed attacks in several cities in Iraq 103 324

26 Sep 1980 suicide bombing in Munich, West Germany 13 312

1 Aug 1980 bombing at railway station in Bologna, Italy 85 300

1 Oct 1981 car bombing in Beirut, Lebanon 83 300

14 Jul 1987 twin car bombs and two other bombs in shopping area in Karachi, Pakistan 72 300

15 Dec 1976 bombing at airport in Baghdad, Iraq 40 300

16 Sep 1920 bombing near bank in New York City, New York, USA 34 300

5 Mar 1998 bombing of bus in Colombo, Sri Lanka 32 300

That's kind of lacking in details.

So going into Iran and bitch slapping them would be OK. Or perhaps Syria, or Libya. How about Saudi Arabia. Regardless of which Muslim nation we go into this kinda BS is what were going to get. There is no way around it. We're being way to soft on these folks. How do you think Saddam stayed in power so long. He was brutal. Be heavy handed to start off with, give the country over to their own people and the people will love it because in comparrison to the occupiers the new gov't would look like saints. They can't stand us nor do they trust us anyway so give him what they are expecting.

We (this includes our allies and not just the US) didn't go easy on the Germans and Japanese in WWII and look how those countries turned out. We carpet bombed and nuked the crap out of them. Civilian casualties were through the roof. You didn't hear anyone whining about American decency then. Now we have the power to put a rocket right through an open window and keep losses to a minimum and we're derided for it.

If by 'everything else' you mean sit down and open up a dialogue with these people then Militant islam and the murderers who follow it have already won. I agree that America needs to change it's ways but remember that in this country there are no death camps (Iraq), we don't indiscriminatley attack our neighbors (Iraq) and we aren't calling for a holy war against Islam or using public schools to twist religion in order to brainwash our children (Afganistan, Iran, Syria, Saudia Arabia & Pakistan).

This is my beef with half of my fellow Americans and most of the world. People like to point fingers and say 'hey your going about this all wrong' but no one offers a solution.

P.s. Nice post Skank

*sigh* All the other measures the US has taken since 9/11.

Wow. Stunning in it's simplicity. So basically everthing else except the killing part is what your saying. Perhaps we should get the U.N. involved and place "SANCTIONS" on the countries that harbor terrorists. We all know how well that works.

Everything except the invading Iraq part, yes.