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what do they teach the kids


Did you ever see the school systems under the Taliban. The kids sat in class reading the Koran out loud and rocking back in forth in what looked like some kind of ritualistic drug induced heavy metal concert. Sure as hell looked like brainwashing to me.

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It's amazing that 800 years later that we are still feeling the effects of the Crusades. After seeing a special on the Crusades (Hosted by Monty Python's Terry Jones) I really felt bad for anyone who lived in that region of the world, especially the Muslims. The Crusaders were a pretty terrible lot. Of course it is somewhere around 700-800 years since the last crusade so maybe these folks should get over it already.


I love history. Some of the most riveting story's of all time lay in this worlds history. The Crusades (to which there were many) were in most cases a "Taking Back" of territories (such as Spain and France) that where taken by force by the Muslims. The transition was cataclysmic.

Virtually all Westerners (except me) have learned to apologize for the Crusades, but less noted is the fact that the Crusades have an Islamic counterpart for which no one is apologizing and of which few are even aware.

Here is a contemporary account of the Muslims’ arrival in Nikiou, an Egyptian town, in the 640’s:

Then the Muslims arrived in Nikiou. There was not one single soldier to resist them. They seized the town and slaughtered everyone they met in the street and in the churches — men, women and children, sparing nobody. Then they went to other places, pillaged and killed all the inhabitants they found. . . .But let us now say no more, for it is impossible to describe the horrors the Muslims committed when they occupied the island of Nikiou. . .

Not only did this involve massacres, but exile and enslavement — all based on a broken treaty:

Amr oppressed Egypt. He sent its inhabitants to fight the inhabitants of the Pentapolis [Tripolitania] and, after gaining a victory, he did not allow them to stay there. He took considerable booty from this country and a large number of prisoners. . . .The Muslims returned to their country with booty and captives. The patriarch Cyrus felt deep grief at the calamities in Egypt, because Amr, who was of barbarian origin, showed no mercy in his treatment of the Egyptians and did not fulfill the covenants which had been agreed with him.

Once the Muslims were entrenched in power, they began to levy the jizya, the tax on non-Muslims:

. . . Amr’s position became stronger from day to day. He levied the tax that had been stipulated . . . But it is impossible to describe the lamentable position of the inhabitants of this town, who came to the point of offering their children in exchange for the enormous sums that they had to pay each month, finding no one to help them because God had abandoned them and had delivered the Christians into the hands of their enemies.

So what is called the Crusades was pretty much the way of the worl at that time. It's true some of the Crusades and Crusaders were in it for their own ends. But I doubt you can find a war that there were not some less than pure participants.

I do not apologize for the history of the world. It is what it is and I wasn't there to create it. I will take responsibility for any donations I make (good or bad) to history in my life time.

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The whole virgins in the after life thing always cracked me up. I've heard a range of different numbers concerning the amount of virgins you would be blessed with in the after life. Let's say your blessed with 30 virgins. Then let's say you intend to have sex with these virgins every other night. That means your only going to have sex for 2 months and then gotta go dry for the rest of eternity because you wanted virgins and now you don't have anymore (Perhaps the virginity thing needs to be explained to these folks). Of course your in heaven so you probably won't be having sex anyway because you will have broken the bonds of the physical form and have no need for physical contact. So what exactly is the point of the virgins. Wouldn't one be enough to spend eternity with. And does she have to be a virgin? I find it hard enough dealing with my wife at times let alone 30 womenfor the rest of eternity.

Of course trying to rationalize this with people who strap explosives to themselves and saw peoples heads off might not be worth my time.


Oh the whole vergin thing is true. The secret is their goats. :albino:


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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u ... n_darfur_2

Perfect example of our discussion here.

I think the UN is going about it the right way. Telling the Sudanese Gov't that it's wrong what they'redoing will certainly stop the genocide. (Insert eyerolling emoticon here)

How come there are no protesters in the street over this?

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India jails Al-Qaeda suspect who plotted 9/11 strikes in Australia, London

Lets see September 11, 2001, Austrailia, Englend and Indian. Nope couldn't have been because of the war in Iraq because it hadn't started yet. Guess they just wanted to muder a bunch of people.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050722/wl_sthasia_afp/indiaaustraliabritainattackscourt_050722122844;_ylt=AuOvDgeC3uR2_hlAGb.6KIUwuecA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl


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Man you must have really dug deep for that one because I know the liberal media did their best to bury that.

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Man you must have really dug deep for that one because I know the liberal media did their best to bury that.


Really? How do you know that? What's your source?

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Dan Rather disgust

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Got a link for me? Sorry, I don't watch the American news networks.

The last I heard about Dan Rather was that he was forced to apologize for revealling something about Dubya that the Republicans would rather have kept quiet.
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{FAH}Q wrote:
Man you must have really dug deep for that one because I know the liberal media did their best to bury that.


Really? How do you know that? What's your source?


1) Yes really.
2) Through diligent research.
3) Endless numbers of news services.
A) Find an interesting story.
B) Run a search through as many news sources as possible. You find so many that leave out what ever they want to distort the story to their own political leanings it becomes comical. After all of that the most complete, least edited story ends up the most factual. Just so happens that this story was carried by the "AFP" which surprises me in that they have a tendency to lean to the left or at least anti American.
4) Dan Rather halfheartedly apologized for running a story with forged documents supplied by an individual with a history of mental disorders and a known hatred for George W. Bush. Mr. Rather ran with the story without verifying the information, something that shocked the entire news world out side of "The National Enquirer". It took the web heads less than a day to prove the documents were forged.
5) Mr. Rather had tried to hold the story until the Tuesday before Election Day so that the White House would not have time to react in time. Mr. Rather should have apologized for trying to put the fix on a presidential election. This Yank will not miss Mr. Rather.


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If I had said Michael Moore would you have believed me then. :violent1:

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Another guy who is scorned for telling it exactly like it is, instead of the Republican-spin version. :toothy7:

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Another guy who is scorned for telling it exactly like it is, instead of the Republican-spin version. :toothy7:


By scorned you mean sued in court for slander and liable, lost and had to pay damages?


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Give it up skank. He probably hangs on every word Ted Kennedy says as well.

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There is no terrorist threat. There is no terrorist threat. Yes, there have been horrific acts, of terrorism and yes there will be horrific acts again. But that does not mean that there's some massive terrorist threat.



When a man makes a statement like this why in the world would you believe anything he says.

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